Ili možda neke buduće obaveze, tipa neke koncesione naknade koje su fiksne, pa da to buduće od npr. 3 god. unaprijed potraživanje prodaju bankama. Naklapam samo šta bi moglo biti...
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Ma možemo predpostavljati razno, ali najlogičnije je da će ipak izvlačiti novce preko dividendi, sve ostalo je potkradanje malih dioničara, dobivanje tužbi, gubljenje povjerenja i gubljenje pozicije ...
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Re: Vlada FBiH
Ma ja sad nešto kontam, nije ovaj Fadil mahnit. Ima logike da ne povlači dividendu. Ne bih ni ja da sam na njegovom mjestu, kada bolje razmislim.
Bolje se zaduživati povoljno dok može i dok mu hoće dati pare međunarodni kreditori, i tim parama pokušati prevazići krizu, a ovu lovu koju ima u javnim preduzećima ostaviti za ne daj Bože, jer nju uvijek može povući. Kada bi sad prvo to povukao, a onda se pokušao zadužiti kada potroši ove pare, onda ovisi o dobroj volji kreditora koji mu određuju kamate i uslove kako hoće, a u međuvremenu se i okolnosti mogu promijeniti na gore. Ovako bar dobija na vremenu, a tu mu vazda stoji 150 mio Eura na raspolaganju.
Naravno da bi meni draže bilo da nam isplati dividendu, ali...
Bolje se zaduživati povoljno dok može i dok mu hoće dati pare međunarodni kreditori, i tim parama pokušati prevazići krizu, a ovu lovu koju ima u javnim preduzećima ostaviti za ne daj Bože, jer nju uvijek može povući. Kada bi sad prvo to povukao, a onda se pokušao zadužiti kada potroši ove pare, onda ovisi o dobroj volji kreditora koji mu određuju kamate i uslove kako hoće, a u međuvremenu se i okolnosti mogu promijeniti na gore. Ovako bar dobija na vremenu, a tu mu vazda stoji 150 mio Eura na raspolaganju.
Naravno da bi meni draže bilo da nam isplati dividendu, ali...
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Hahahhaah. Bas si naivan. Ko da on te pare cuva za tebe ili mene. Ne zaboravite da je ovo hvatač u padu. Sve sto ob uradi samo je u svehu odredjene grupe tajkuna. On nema nikakav ekonomski plan osim plana kako da se obogati.Sitna buranija wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 10:47 Ma ja sad nešto kontam, nije ovaj Fadil mahnit. Ima logike da ne povlači dividendu. Ne bih ni ja da sam na njegovom mjestu, kada bolje razmislim.
Bolje se zaduživati povoljno dok može i dok mu hoće dati pare međunarodni kreditori, i tim parama pokušati prevazići krizu, a ovu lovu koju ima u javnim preduzećima ostaviti za ne daj Bože, jer nju uvijek može povući. Kada bi sad prvo to povukao, a onda se pokušao zadužiti kada potroši ove pare, onda ovisi o dobroj volji kreditora koji mu određuju kamate i uslove kako hoće, a u međuvremenu se i okolnosti mogu promijeniti na gore. Ovako bar dobija na vremenu, a tu mu vazda stoji 150 mio Eura na raspolaganju.
Naravno da bi meni draže bilo da nam isplati dividendu, ali...
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I ja mislim da se dobit JP-a čuva za plaćanje tunela Hranjen i nekih drugih dionica koje će raditi "domaće" firme.
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Počeo je ramazan i demagozi su se vratile iz korona knockdown-a. Na svakom bosanskom kanalu dnevno nekoliko sati performansa sa suštinskom porukom raji "sabur u neimaštini". Korona se uspješno liječi jedino interferonom, namjenskim proteinom koji čelije luče u slučaju samoodbrane kako bi podigle imunitet organizma. Lijek proizvode najbolji ljekari na svijetu, ljekari iz Kube. Lijek se zove interferon-alpha-2b i zaustavio je epidemiju u Wuhanu. Respiratori su napušteni kao instrument liječenja covid 19 nakon što je kolegij ljekara koji je liječio Borisa Johnsona umjesto respiratora implementirao tretman intravenoznog davanja kiseonika. Na temperaturi od 24 stepena celzijusa i vlažnosti od 80 % virus umire za dva minuta. Sada sa približavanjem ljeta virus se smiruje na jesen se vraća još jači i opasniji, vjerovatno mutiran. Na jesen novi lockdown, zaključavanje svega, prvenstveno privrede koju kapitalizam neće preživjeti. Zajedno sa kapitalizmom u wc šolju idu i SDA i ostale demokrate.
Kod nas se svaka priča završava korupcijom. Danas srebrena malina, prija 25 godina čuvena zolja 28 divizije napunjena sa 3 miliona maraka.
Fadil je vrh brijega, korumpirani poluidiot koji pristaje na ulogu marionete koruptokracije. Ovo mu je kraj, ali poslije njega dolazi još gori. Jednostavno sistem predstavničke demokratije generiše kriminal i korupciju. Ipak korona je fatalna prekretnica nakon koje ništa neće biti kao što je bilo. Obrađujte zemlju i živite skromno. Zdravlje dolazi iz spartanskog života.
Kod nas se svaka priča završava korupcijom. Danas srebrena malina, prija 25 godina čuvena zolja 28 divizije napunjena sa 3 miliona maraka.
Fadil je vrh brijega, korumpirani poluidiot koji pristaje na ulogu marionete koruptokracije. Ovo mu je kraj, ali poslije njega dolazi još gori. Jednostavno sistem predstavničke demokratije generiše kriminal i korupciju. Ipak korona je fatalna prekretnica nakon koje ništa neće biti kao što je bilo. Obrađujte zemlju i živite skromno. Zdravlje dolazi iz spartanskog života.
Re: Vlada FBiH
a ako izgubi vlast ili dio vlasti, što je za očekivati, onda drugome stoji 150 mil. Eura na raspolaganju...
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Shahab wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:31 Počeo je ramazan i demagozi su se vratile iz korona knockdown-a. Na svakom bosanskom kanalu dnevno nekoliko sati performansa sa suštinskom porukom raji "sabur u neimaštini". Korona se uspješno liječi jedino interferonom, namjenskim proteinom koji čelije luče u slučaju samoodbrane kako bi podigle imunitet organizma. Lijek proizvode najbolji ljekari na svijetu, ljekari iz Kube. Lijek se zove interferon-alpha-2b i zaustavio je epidemiju u Wuhanu. Respiratori su napušteni kao instrument liječenja covid 19 nakon što je kolegij ljekara koji je liječio Borisa Johnsona umjesto respiratora implementirao tretman intravenoznog davanja kiseonika. Na temperaturi od 24 stepena celzijusa i vlažnosti od 80 % virus umire za dva minuta. Sada sa približavanjem ljeta virus se smiruje na jesen se vraća još jači i opasniji, vjerovatno mutiran. Na jesen novi lockdown, zaključavanje svega, prvenstveno privrede koju kapitalizam neće preživjeti. Zajedno sa kapitalizmom u wc šolju idu i SDA i ostale demokrate.
Kod nas se svaka priča završava korupcijom. Danas srebrena malina, prija 25 godina čuvena zolja 28 divizije napunjena sa 3 miliona maraka.
Fadil je vrh brijega, korumpirani poluidiot koji pristaje na ulogu marionete koruptokracije. Ovo mu je kraj, ali poslije njega dolazi još gori. Jednostavno sistem predstavničke demokratije generiše kriminal i korupciju. Ipak korona je fatalna prekretnica nakon koje ništa neće biti kao što je bilo. Obrađujte zemlju i živite skromno. Zdravlje dolazi iz spartanskog života.
Znači na kesen se vraćamo u kameno doba....
Druže pazu da te ne kidnapiraju, mnogo znaš i pišeš o koronašu.
De malo optimizma sve neki go crnjak.....
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Ništa. Samo ti stavi motiku u bure s vodom da se štilo malo raširi i da se lakše kukuruz okopava. Neko je već spreman za to.
Što se tiče povlačenja sredstava od JP pitanje je šta EP može uraditi jer prema najavama kinezima u maju treba da uplate 211 milion KM avansa. Za sada nema informacija jesu li uzeli kredit za to ili bi povlačili akumulirana sredstva.
Što se tiče povlačenja sredstava od JP pitanje je šta EP može uraditi jer prema najavama kinezima u maju treba da uplate 211 milion KM avansa. Za sada nema informacija jesu li uzeli kredit za to ili bi povlačili akumulirana sredstva.
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The Road to Reset: Where We Are, and Where We Are Headed
The post-WWII Bretton Woods economic order is coming to a close. As economic systems have become financialized, capitalism has largely been replaced by cronyism and free markets by ‘too big to fail’ casinos; while the middle-class has increasingly been hollowed by Ponzi-like financial structures designed to funnel wealth to the top 1%. The status quo is unsustainable.
Irrespective of how it may have come about, the COVID pandemic has been the pin that has finally catalyzed the over-inflated credit markets to burst beyond repair — occurring in parallel with the decline of the petrodollar — the collapse of which signals the end of the seventy-five-year macro-debt cycle. This is a paradigm shifting event, such that the socio-economic foundations to drive the next era of human civilization will be decided in the coming months and years.
The following aims to make sense of the current, seemingly chaotic environment, and to provide a concise, to-the-point overview for how a potential socio-economic reset may play out.
A Roadmap
Stage 1: Deflation
Response: Money Printing
QE / Rate Cuts
Corporate Bailouts & Bankruptcies
Consumer Debt Defaults
Real Estate Crisis
Market Reaction: Rush to Safety / Liquidity
USD
Bonds
Stage 2: (Hyper-)Inflation
Response: Currency Devaluation / Loss of Purchasing Power
QT / Raise Rates
Gov’t & Corporate Debt Defaults
Bond Market Collapse
Market Reaction: Rush to External Safe Havens
Precious Metals: Gold / Silver
Stage 3: Bretton Woods-style Systemic Reset
Response:
Political Negotiations
Potential Outcomes:
1. New Global Reserve Currency
Central banks bailed out via the IMF SDR (basket of five largest fiat currencies)
SDR global reserve settlement system established; IMF becomes lender of last resort to central banks
Transition off the USD reserve is entrenched, along with a move to a multipolar geopolitical power base
SDR currency weighting may ultimately be governed by central banks via a privately controlled distributed ledger
2. Universal Basic Income (UBI)
Required to negate the disrupting effects brought by the automation of the economy / labor force
Elevates every person in society to a basic standard of living; beyond which is left to the individual
Spurs innovation as a greater number of individuals are freed to pursue their passions and contribute to society in a meaningful way
3. Expedite ‘Fourth Industrial Revolution’ (4IR) Technologies across the Global Economy
Deploy distributed renewable energy smart-grids
Scale 3D printed manufacturing
Increase economic efficiencies with the integration of blockchain, where appropriate
Embrace automation and new forms of distributed decision-making
4. Return to a Gold Standard
This is unlikely as central banks will want to maintain control over monetary policy and currency issuance
Gold (and eventually cryptocurrency) will be retained as bank reserves, but will not back fiat issuance
Overall, such a reset could result in a shift from a unipolar to a multipolar geopolitical system based upon a global reserve currency basket of the largest economies, with drastically enhanced economic efficiencies introduced via blockchain. Subsequently, with the integration of 4IR technologies and UBI, a transition to a sustainable ‘zero marginal-cost society’ could be expedited.
Potential Risks & Alternative Objectives:
Technology is a tool. Depending upon how it is deployed and utilized, it can equally free humanity and enslave it. Embracing state-surveillance and central bank control over financial networks is a dangerous road, destined for totalitarian outcomes.
Digital ‘Self-sovereign’ ID — would enhance privacy / user-control of data if truly self-sovereign (deployed on a decentralized blockchain with user-controlled ‘certificates’)
Loss of Privacy / Enhanced Surveillance-state:
- Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) — fiat currencies are issued on a privately controlled ‘blockchain’, allowing central banks unfettered access and control over individual financial transactions and savings
- Location-based Tracking — state-wide facial recognition networks; centralized ‘contact-tracing’ applications; increased use of drones
- Restrictions on Freedom of Movement — restrictive border controls; ‘immunity passports’ required for operating within the state
- ‘Earn It’ Act — a recently introduced bill to the US Senate which would limit the ability of companies to offer private and secure services by undermining the use of encryption
Central Banks Co-opt and Subsume the Role of Commercial Banks — central banks could potentially make a power grab by issuing a retail CBDC and allowing individuals to hold accounts directly with the central bank. This would undermine commercial banks and could ultimately result in governments issuing their own CBDC directly in response, thereby circumventing central banks themselves (gov’ts would no longer borrow from central banks, but instead issue fiat directly)
The post-WWII Bretton Woods economic order is coming to a close. As economic systems have become financialized, capitalism has largely been replaced by cronyism and free markets by ‘too big to fail’ casinos; while the middle-class has increasingly been hollowed by Ponzi-like financial structures designed to funnel wealth to the top 1%. The status quo is unsustainable.
Irrespective of how it may have come about, the COVID pandemic has been the pin that has finally catalyzed the over-inflated credit markets to burst beyond repair — occurring in parallel with the decline of the petrodollar — the collapse of which signals the end of the seventy-five-year macro-debt cycle. This is a paradigm shifting event, such that the socio-economic foundations to drive the next era of human civilization will be decided in the coming months and years.
The following aims to make sense of the current, seemingly chaotic environment, and to provide a concise, to-the-point overview for how a potential socio-economic reset may play out.
A Roadmap
Stage 1: Deflation
Response: Money Printing
QE / Rate Cuts
Corporate Bailouts & Bankruptcies
Consumer Debt Defaults
Real Estate Crisis
Market Reaction: Rush to Safety / Liquidity
USD
Bonds
Stage 2: (Hyper-)Inflation
Response: Currency Devaluation / Loss of Purchasing Power
QT / Raise Rates
Gov’t & Corporate Debt Defaults
Bond Market Collapse
Market Reaction: Rush to External Safe Havens
Precious Metals: Gold / Silver
Stage 3: Bretton Woods-style Systemic Reset
Response:
Political Negotiations
Potential Outcomes:
1. New Global Reserve Currency
Central banks bailed out via the IMF SDR (basket of five largest fiat currencies)
SDR global reserve settlement system established; IMF becomes lender of last resort to central banks
Transition off the USD reserve is entrenched, along with a move to a multipolar geopolitical power base
SDR currency weighting may ultimately be governed by central banks via a privately controlled distributed ledger
2. Universal Basic Income (UBI)
Required to negate the disrupting effects brought by the automation of the economy / labor force
Elevates every person in society to a basic standard of living; beyond which is left to the individual
Spurs innovation as a greater number of individuals are freed to pursue their passions and contribute to society in a meaningful way
3. Expedite ‘Fourth Industrial Revolution’ (4IR) Technologies across the Global Economy
Deploy distributed renewable energy smart-grids
Scale 3D printed manufacturing
Increase economic efficiencies with the integration of blockchain, where appropriate
Embrace automation and new forms of distributed decision-making
4. Return to a Gold Standard
This is unlikely as central banks will want to maintain control over monetary policy and currency issuance
Gold (and eventually cryptocurrency) will be retained as bank reserves, but will not back fiat issuance
Overall, such a reset could result in a shift from a unipolar to a multipolar geopolitical system based upon a global reserve currency basket of the largest economies, with drastically enhanced economic efficiencies introduced via blockchain. Subsequently, with the integration of 4IR technologies and UBI, a transition to a sustainable ‘zero marginal-cost society’ could be expedited.
Potential Risks & Alternative Objectives:
Technology is a tool. Depending upon how it is deployed and utilized, it can equally free humanity and enslave it. Embracing state-surveillance and central bank control over financial networks is a dangerous road, destined for totalitarian outcomes.
Digital ‘Self-sovereign’ ID — would enhance privacy / user-control of data if truly self-sovereign (deployed on a decentralized blockchain with user-controlled ‘certificates’)
Loss of Privacy / Enhanced Surveillance-state:
- Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) — fiat currencies are issued on a privately controlled ‘blockchain’, allowing central banks unfettered access and control over individual financial transactions and savings
- Location-based Tracking — state-wide facial recognition networks; centralized ‘contact-tracing’ applications; increased use of drones
- Restrictions on Freedom of Movement — restrictive border controls; ‘immunity passports’ required for operating within the state
- ‘Earn It’ Act — a recently introduced bill to the US Senate which would limit the ability of companies to offer private and secure services by undermining the use of encryption
Central Banks Co-opt and Subsume the Role of Commercial Banks — central banks could potentially make a power grab by issuing a retail CBDC and allowing individuals to hold accounts directly with the central bank. This would undermine commercial banks and could ultimately result in governments issuing their own CBDC directly in response, thereby circumventing central banks themselves (gov’ts would no longer borrow from central banks, but instead issue fiat directly)